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    I am new to writing but after a few years of allowing an idea come to life, I decided to be a bit more intentional and serious about fleshing it out.

    The idea I am stuck on and looking for recommendations would be using the 4th wall or meta but not in a humorous way. Do y'all have any recommendations of any media that does this at all? If it is executed well that is a plus but to be honest from all the post and forums I have been reading it does not seem like this is a well received concept or one that has been explored a bunch.

    The closest I've seen would be She-Hulk when she rips through the comic to accomplish her goal.

    I have a small list of recommendations I have collected from the past couple days of looking into this but it seems it is only for tips on how a narrator breaks the 4th wall or is meta in nature. I haven't started on them because I am trying to finish the current book I am reading before skipping over it.

    Mister B. Gone by Clive Barker
    "Generally all books" by Kurt Vonnegut

    Ideally I am looking for anything that is in non-humorous nature where characters "manipulate" the media. This could be rewriting the story, erasing things, or any other means of manipulation of the media.

    I am also open to any media if that is allowed here to include movies, comics, graphic novels, manga, short stories, books, etc.

    Also I am not familiar with a lot of genres so if this is something entirely different please let me know.

    TYIA

    by dsaine94

    3 Comments

    1. There will be humor in it, but check out Heads You Lose, which is a writing experiment where each author takes a turn on a chapter, and they have to build off the other’s work.

    2. Longjumping-Poem-881 on

      you might want to check out “house of leaves” by mark danielewski – the whole book is basically characters manipulating the text and layout in really unsettling ways. there’s also “the turn of the screw” where the governess seems aware she’s in a story but it’s played completely straight and creepy.

      for movies, “funny games” does the meta thing in a really disturbing way where the antagonist talks to the audience and even rewinds scenes when things don’t go his way.

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